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Would you try Linux or another Open Source operating system if it was easier to use?

Poll: Would you try Linux or another Open Source operating system if it was easier to use? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you use Linux or another Open Source operating system if it was easier to use?

  1. YES (29 votes [85.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.29%

  2. NO (2 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  3. Already Use Linux (3 votes [8.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  4. Already Use Another Open Source Operating System (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 22 August 2010 - 12:50 PM (#1) User is offline   marko 

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    I've been reading a lot about Linux recently, and how many people consider it just too difficult to understand. I've dabbled myself, but always usually resort back to Windows through some incompatibility of sorts. If you've tried Linux or any other Open Source operating system, question is would you continue to use it if it were a tad easier to understand?.

    If you already use Linux or some other Open Source operating system why not offer some advice on how best to get started? :)
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    Posted 22 August 2010 - 01:44 PM (#2) User is offline   DaComboMan 

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      Easier in the sense that all peripherals could be automatically installed (or at least sent to proper download site).
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      Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:08 PM (#3) User is offline   rpsgc 

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        No.

        I'm a gamer first and foremost.
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        Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:38 PM (#4) User is offline   clif 

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          View Postmarko, on 22 August 2010 - 12:50 PM, said:

          If you already use Linux or some other Open Source operating system why not offer some advice on how best to get started? :)


          Advice? Some versions of Linux are already easy to use. However, it does greatly depend upon what you typically do on a PC that makes it easier or harder. rpsgc has a good point - only a few of the popular games run on Linux.

          If you have a PC newbie, who only uses Email, Facebook and some office apps, Linux might be a great option for them. If I had to recommend a safe OS to someone like that, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend something like Ubuntu.

          I'm currently writing to you using BrowserLinux, which I've recently reviewed:
          BrowserLinux Now Offers Chrome Browser http://t.co/U8DFTe2

          Best wishes to all
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          Posted 22 August 2010 - 03:47 PM (#5) User is offline   marko 

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            Thanks for the responses so far guys, please keep them coming :)

            Clif, nice of you to stop by, always a pleasure :)
            Cheers
            Marko
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            Posted 22 August 2010 - 04:15 PM (#6) Guest_vadi_*

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            Already on ubuntu
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            Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:50 PM (#7) User is offline   John T 

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              Probably would use an alternative open source O/S if I weren't so familiar with Mr Gates' offerings.
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              Posted 22 August 2010 - 05:55 PM (#8) User is offline   marko 

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                View Postvadi, on 22 August 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

                Already on ubuntu

                Just wondering if you've always been on Ubuntu vadi or did you migrate from Windows?

                View PostJohn T, on 22 August 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

                Probably would use an alternative open source O/S if I weren't so familiar with Mr Gates' offerings.

                Much the same most of us I think John :)
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                Posted 22 August 2010 - 06:44 PM (#9) User is offline   TheRaven 

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                  openSuSE Linux is by far the most easy Linux distribution to use due to a number of reasons. Novell, the owner of SuSE Linux coordinates with Microsoft on a great number of projects and system concepts that really enlivened SuSE to a level that Linux never knew. They salvaged the Mono Project and made cross platform .Net technology a real mainstream reality using the same business savvy that they employed when they rescued SuSE Linux from its descent into decay. Novell has been around since digital dirt and has revolutionized networking with NATO allies and never once gloated about any of it. They're my champions as far as Linux is concerned as they recently won a court battle with the license holder of UNIX, of whom was trying to strangle hold Linux due to similarities and intellectual copyright infringement -- Novell pounded out of town and won the rights to Linux's freedom forever and ever. Novell gets criticized as being a Microsoft imp and sell out by "Linux Purists" of whom rank really low on the food chain. Maybe they could make a perl script that runs for more than fifteen minutes without fubaring someones install they could talk some smack.

                  Linux is hard to use because the alleged "Linux Purists/Experts" want to brand Linux with anti-commercialism and boast their ego so much that it has cut into development time and documentation resources. It is definitely not what you know but, what you throw in many Linux circles -- most often it's crap. I stick with distros managed by competent entities rather than groups because I can do without the "click" mentality.

                  Novell's SuSE Enterprise, openSuSE, and Dream Linux come to mind as really user friendly Linux O.S. platforms and then there is the ever popular UBUNTU Linux of which was my first productive encounter with Linux after about three years of tinkering with Linux in general. It can be discouraging as allot of the sys-admin is handled from a shell and possesses a rather steep learning curve but, it pays off with a little commitment. SuSE, Dream Linux and UBUNTU Linux are all coming up on the food chain regarding hardware recognition and where the drivers and tools for a device are managed on a proprietary level you can now download installers allot of times. Slowly but, surely it is getting much better.

                  Remember Linux was created as a free operating system for people to use at any level be it personal or professional and not a tool for whorish band wagon rides so stay away from "Linux Groups" that endorse or promote flaming and try to brainwash or bash on people for not thinking like them (not hating Microsoft, Novell, NVidia; etc.) as that is not what we're here for and goes for our kids too. Keep these principles in mind and Linux will become exponentially easier to use because you will eliminate almost every possible waste of your time regarding the operating system.

                  The Linux Bible Thumping domain is not my area of expertise and I don't really promote evangelism as a product or service should promote itself as reliable and competent but, the distros that I mentioned above will be the easiest to use. Just be sure to stay away from "cool" and "better than everyone else" distros and you'll do just fine.
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                  Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:07 PM (#10) User is offline   google 

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                    Very profound answer TheRaven, I'd agree with Ubuntu 100% but like marko and others I too seem to be drawn back to the world of M$ and for me it's just a convenience thing, but we should at least take a little while to explore further, I know I've not used Ubunti for a while so its very likely things have moved on somewhat and progressed.

                    marko, I seem to remember an Ubuntu installer on the site that dual boots with Windows, can't remember the name of the damn thing though, would you happen to remember?
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                    Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:17 PM (#11) User is offline   marko 

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                      Hi G, the program you're referring to is "Wubi" and can be downloaded HERE. Here's a screenshot ...

                      Attached Image: wubi.png

                      ... and yes, indeed, as always a very in depth response from TheRaven :)
                      Keep em coming though :)
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                      Posted 22 August 2010 - 07:56 PM (#12) User is offline   dstrout 

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                        I already dabble around with Linux a lot, especially Ubuntu. I personally find it very easy to use, and, in the more recent distros, I find it doesn't usually have too much trouble recognizing hardware. Heck, recently I was working on an old IBM machine, and Windows XP couldn't find a driver for the ethernet card, while Ubuntu got it working right out of the box. Windows Vista or 7 might have gotten a driver for it, but this is an old machine, and those OSes wouldn't work on it. It only make sense in this case to use Ubuntu, which works well on these old machines, and even works better than Windows in terms of drivers.

                        Anyway, you should put in another option "I already use Linux" in the poll, without that, I can't cast a vote.
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                        Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:06 PM (#13) User is offline   marko 

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                          Yep, quite right dstrout, added another couple of options which should cover it me thinks :)
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                          Posted 22 August 2010 - 08:54 PM (#14) User is offline   google 

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                            OK, here's one problem I've found already which would probably send most screaming from Ubuntu. Using Wubi, Ubuntu installed perfectly and flawlessly and once the system started up I began checking out what was installed. I immediately noticed no antivirus software, so began to browse the list of online software from Ubuntu - here's what I found:

                            From the Ubuntu site ...
                            Most of these did not appear to have linux downloads accessible on their websites on 16th April 2010
                            [list]
                            [*]Avast! Linux Home Edition. More information about Avast! at wikipedia and an install guide at UbuntuGeek. Avast's product key didn't work so we contacted the company & are awaiting their response.
                            [*]AVG Antivirus. Function Limited. Virus detection only.
                            [*]Avira Antivirus. Requires Java to use the GUI.
                            [*]BitDefender Antivirus. Limited time trial version available apparently but only after filling in a form
                            [*]Panda Antivirus. I didn't check this one but it appears to be old and no longer maintained. It used to have some unique & awesome features
                            [*]F-PROT Antivirus for Workstations (home users). Free for personal use. GUI front-ends are available, but may require some manual work. e.g. XFProt. I have not tried the GUI front-ends. 
                            [/list]


                            Apart from Avira which only requires Java, and even then it hasn't been tested, there would appear to be a distinct lack of available antivirus protection for Ubuntu, the recommendation from Ubuntu was to install ClamAV and apparently there is a GUI version available, and I quote "For Ubuntu or Xubuntu install clamtk to get a nice gui front-end so that you don't have to run it from the command-line. The gui appears to be out-of-date but is still very usable."

                            Now is it just me, or is this grounds to have Ubuntu flying off the hard drive quicker than it went on?. For anyone who is used to Windows, this would be confusing enough to have them run, and even though the open source operating systems are much more secure and unlikely to attract viruses, to me, that's just not the point; what if Ubuntu became as popular as Windows, I'm sure we'd see a fast shift by the virus writers and malware producers. It's almost like a double-edged sword, as it stands just now Ubuntu and the likes are most probably much safer than Windows could ever dream of being, but if the open source operating system became popular then the lack of security products and complacent attitude could result in disaster for the OS community of Ubuntu, Linux and the others.

                            I'm by no means an expert on any of the open source systems, but as a Windows user I know its unlikely I'll be converted anytime soon with the prospect of having to run command lines to install an inadequate antivirus system like ClamAV which would potentially be my only option!.
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                            Posted 22 August 2010 - 10:18 PM (#15) User is offline   marko 

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                              I'm no expert on Ubuntu either but from what I've searched already the general consensus amongst the Linux and Ubuntu community is that they don't need virus scanners as the open source community would spot a vulnerability in the code before it was released, plus Linux doesn't run like Windows in the sense the user would not have enough privillages for a virus to do serious harm, in other words as long as the user isn't running as the "ROOT" user then both them, and any virus, couldn't do serious damage. However, I've not yet read about the consequences of contracting a virus on Linux or Ubuntu, even if it can't do serious harm to the operating system, would it still be able to wipe the users data, files, passwords, etc?.

                              It does leave a lot to be desired if these open source systems were to become really popular, wonder if anyone would be willing to risk a virus or malware that could possibly run itself as "ROOT"!!.
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                              Posted 23 August 2010 - 12:06 AM (#16) User is offline   grr 

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                                i would definitely give Linux a try if I was aware of it being easier to use, something similar to windows. :)
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                                Posted 23 August 2010 - 01:54 AM (#17) Guest_grumplstink_*

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                                :P I use to have Linux installed....fantastic operating system...but as I'm attempting to produce freeware for games, which along with my tools, mainly run under Windows, I'm trapped in a corner. More games are being produced with the option to run on either Windows, Mac, Linux platforms, so there is light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, make Linux easier for everyone to use, but at the moment, I have to use Windows so wouldn't change. Regards all.
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                                Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:08 AM (#18) Guest_deaman49_*

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                                This is a tough one. Everyone is fed up with M$, but lack the programming skills to go elsewhere. Ubuntu and Linux are great, but convenience has a lot going for it. It doesn't make it right, just what it is. Many older people would stick with what's easy, while younger folks would probably change. Information/education on what they need to know is the key.

                                Lee
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                                Posted 23 August 2010 - 12:23 PM (#19) User is offline   James (Jim) Hillier 

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                                  Last time I tested out Ubuntu I couldn't connect to the internet. Many days (and lots of hours later), after connecting to forums via another machine, I finally discovered that this version of Ubuntu actually downloaded with that inherent fault. The developers had discovered the issue but decided fixing it via an update was a better option than issuing a revamped full version for download and fresh install.

                                  This left many users (such as myself) in a catch 22 situation. Fixing the fault could not be achieved without downloading the update BUT, seeing there was no way to establish internet connectivity, the necessary update could not be downloaded. Could you imagine the hue and cry if M$ were to perpetrate something like that on their users!!!

                                  It amuses me no end when people say Linux is the way of the future and will one day be a (if not the) mainstream operating system. The truth of the matter is; Linux was not born yesterday, it has now been around for almost 20 years and its market share, to this day, remains inconsequential...currently at 0.93%.

                                  There are some very valid reasons why Linux has not been adopted by the masses but I won't bore you by expanding further here. Suffice to say that ease of use (or lack of it) is definitely a major factor. I think about the people I know and how many of them struggle with Windows, which is pretty much totally GUI driven. I cannot imagine what they would make of one of the Linux distros where even some of the simplest operations require processing via command line.

                                  I am not a Linux basher....in fact, I wish it were better so we would indeed have a viable alternative. I've written many times on why Linux is not popular with the masses and what steps need to be taken to address that situation. I'm certain many of you are also well aware of the shortcomings but the people in charge are still not listening. Most of the issues stem from one huge failing, that is the large numbers and vast diversity of distros. That, in itself, tends to fragment inspiration and purpose thus inhibiting true development.
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                                  Posted 23 August 2010 - 03:46 PM (#20) User is offline   dstrout 

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                                    @ google - The reason Ubuntu doesn't have AV is that it doesn't really need it. There are such a minuscule number of viruses out there for Linux, because hackers know that not many people use Linux. The same also goes for Mac. If people used Mac or Linux as much as they used Windows, you can bet the hackers would be swarming over those OSes like they do with Windows. Even Mac has an increasing number of users, and thus increasing numbers of viruses. Linux still has a small enough user base that hackers just don't want to bother with it.

                                    @ jim - What version of Ubuntu did you use at that point? I'm sure the latest version doesn't have anything like that. Everyone makes mistakes, including MS. Just think of all the fuss about Vista!
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