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James (Jim) Hillier

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    View PostJoninOz, on 06 June 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

    A friend recently updated Incredimail and it was bundled with the 'Ask' toolbar which created havoc, and it is difficult to eliminate using ageneral uninstall programme.

    Jon, Incredimail itself is an insidious piece of software. People like it for the emoticons and other cool display options but, for the most part, they do not realize that Incredimail hooks deep into the system and is a real PITA to get rid of. I wouldn't recommend Incredimail to my worst enemy... hmmm, on second thoughts, maybe I would. :)

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      Thanks for the tip Jim , I've got quitea few enemies. Lol. :rofl:

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        I'll try this again; Hello my fellow late nighters and those of you that just got up. Lot's of time zones here.

        Claw, I have been sick fora while and wasn't able to get back with you on the Jungle Book. Yes I used to read it to the gran kids. Their all gone now so I haven't looked at it foe a few years but that is where the handle came from but I'm not sure but I think they used a differant spelling. But I have seen it being used by a lot of others and it is quite a put off when I go onto a site and am forced to sign up or sign in and someone else has gotten there and used my name and I get to use it if I put a number behind it. I have used it for nine or ten years now, I think I'll keep it. If you meet anyone else using this moniker tell them to put a number behind it because you know the original personaly. :good:

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          Thank you for your comment James. Prior to subscribing to 'Dave's Tips' and becoming a member here I have been a member of Cloudeight InfAve Premium for many years, and they also describe Incredimail and other 'ratbags' in the same vein as your comments.

          It is a pleasant feeling to be a member of this trustworthy forum where high-class computer advice and 'cyber-friendships are formed without 'rogues' and 'skullduggery'.

          Regards,
          JoninOz.

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            Thank you Jon. :)
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              Despite conflicting opinions regarding Incredimail, it never ceases to amaze me on just how contradictory the site advisories can be at times - WOT, for example display a proud message regarding incredimail stating "Congratulations on your sites reputation" which refers to the actual ratings, not comments, yet their overall rating is "good", not "excellent", just "good" whilst the comment statistics show the following:

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              Good customer experience: 1 person agree's
              Spam: 37 people agree
              Annoying ads or popups: 51 people agree
              Bad customer experience: 85 people agree
              Phishing or other scams: 15 people agree
              Malicious content, viruses: 88 people agree
              Browser exploit: 16 people agree
              Spyware or adware: 104 people agree
              Useless: 3 people agree

              As my previous argument with WOT concluded, there has to be a better and more transparent method of voting for people to take ratings and comments like this seriously.An obviously and potentially questionable site like incredimail is getting (on the face of it) a good reputation from WOT when clearly many many people have commented to the contrary. WOT explains that if people want to rate it negatively, they can, and that's what makes up the overall rating, but we still don't know how many people have actually rated it and we don't know whether or not those doing the ratings have more authority over ratings than others. So, we could potentially have 100 people rating this negatively who don't have much authority or influence over the rating system in WOT, yet 10 people who are considered respective and authoritive raters could outweigh those 100 negative ratings?.

              SiteAdvisor isn't much better, as they display "We tested this site and didn't find any significant problems" despite the many negative comments there also and the fact that incredimail initially offers a clean, unsuspecting download then goes on to explain you must change your default search engine to use the "MyStart" search engine otherwise you can't install IncrediMail. I'm sure previously, when I tested it it then continues to download even more garbage from their servers which is how they manage to avoid the adware or spyware trap from most of the site advisories because on the face of it, the download is clean - it's only when you go to install programs like this that additional stuff is downloaded and installed on your PC thus managing to skirt around the scanning of the initial file using things like VirusTotal, etc. These advisories really need to up their game if they are to stay ahead of the trickery that some developers are beginning to use but until they do they will potentially give the wrong advice based on unsuspecting users who rate the stuff positively whilst at the same time wonder why they have 100 toolbars on their web browser and their dead great great grandparents could rise from the dead quicker than their PC boots !!

              Someone on the WOT forums even attempted to take us down here at FreewareBB, and to be honest I don't mind because I'm able to answer every question anyone wishes to throw at us and explain, in great detail, why we do what we do and how we do it. Sure, even we can't be 100% sure that some of our downloads are clean, all be it we do scan and check them but if a developer wants to change something at a later date, it's possible we may miss it but the difference with us is quite simply we make sure we listen to the people telling us about something they have found and we confirm or dismiss it in the nicest possible way - if a user told us a file contains spyware, we'd check it and remove it if necessary and I wouldn't care if it was a file from the largest software company on the planet or whether it was the highest rated download title on our site - if it was obviously dangerous it would be history on this site. Unfortunately, if a site is rated positively in WOT by many, yet had more negative comments, it would seem that site would still enjoy a good reputation - don't know bout you, but I can't figure it !!
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                marko......

                "WOT".....reminds me of Cockney, (London)gangsters in British movies 'way back when' as part of "Yoo did WOT?", aka a misdemeanor by another person...., and, Web Of Trust....,who ever trusts ANYONE who says, "Trust ME "........a bit like Arfur Daley and Terry McCran in 'Minder'......er...you wot?

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                  LOL, remember Arthur Daley fondly :)
                  Please post your queries, requests and enquiries in the forums - do not PM me directly as I cannot answer everyone individually - your post stands a much better chance of receiving multiple replies from other members too on the forums.

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                    View PostJoninOz, on 09 June 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

                    marko......

                    "WOT".....reminds me of Cockney, (London)gangsters in British movies 'way back when' as part of "Yoo did WOT?", aka a misdemeanor by another person...., and, Web Of Trust....,who ever trusts ANYONE who says, "Trust ME "........a bit like Arfur Daley and Terry McCran in 'Minder'......er...you wot?

                    Wot due mean?Yoo takin' the michael, son?I woz born an' bred in East Lunun (London)!"Forty fousand fevers on a frush" and all that jazz!

                    Seriously, being paranoid, I use WOT, McAfee Site Advisor (hate the Company, but this is free), Norton Safe Web and BitDefender Traffic Light.
                    One out of the four, I go cautiously; two out of the four and I bale out.
                    WOT is the most active, followed (only just) by BitDefender.

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                      marko, might this be a good time to bring back the interview with the WOT chairman (sorry I don't recall his name)?I searched the forums in Advanced Search and couldn't locate the interview.

                      In that interview, I thought the questions asked of the chairman were fair, but, to be honest, I had the feeling that he wasn't clear on the future of WOT.The system depends so much on participation, so I guess I could see how that could be an awkward position.I was hoping to find out from him what he thought about the next 5 years of developments, but he was pretty vague on it all.Surely something will come along when it comes to system protection that works at the system level to prevent attacks, and I really wonder where that will leave WOT.

                      Are we in for a situation where we Google around and our WOT tells us 5 or 8 year old info like those old forgotten links on those old forgotten download sites out there?They remind of gold rush towns.Some got gold, most got shot or run over by a carriage or whatever...

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