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Children and the internet, poor things


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    I watched a discussion this morning on a popular UK daytime show, aptly named "This Morning" in fact and it started with the headlines that a four year old had to be treated for an addiction to iPads and went on to discuss how some parents are allowing their children online at the age of only 3.

    The discussion then went on to the findings of a survey carried out by netmums.comwho revealed some rather disturbing trends amongst both parents and children. In total, 1100 parents took park in the survey, as did 825 children who ranged from age 7 to 16. Here's the results ...

    Around a third of the children who took part in the survey (35%) agreed that children should spend no more than about an hour online each day and 72% agreed on no more than 2 hours, however 1 in 5 believed they spent more time online than in the real world, 11% admitted to gaining weight through spending more time online than physical activities and 1/3 say they find it harder to focus on "offline" activities like reading a book.

    35% say they can feel angry or grumpy if they can't get online and 22% said they felt grumpy when they turned off their devices. Worryingly, half of the children surveyed said they go online because they can't think of anything else to do.

    64% of the children surveyed admitted they have already had a negative experience onlilne, but only 22% of the parents were aware their children had such an experience!.

    57% of the kids surveyed said they had accidentally accessedinappropriatematerialonline, whilst 9% admitted to deliberately accessing such. Animal cruelty was the most commonly accessed material by accident.

    24% had accessed eating disorder sites, 20% had looked at self-harm images, 6% violent porn, 18% soft porn, 11% suicide sites and child abuse images, and whilst 77% of those children surveys said they hadn't acted on anything they had seen, over 17% said they had thought about trying it!.

    From those who did copy what they saw online, 6% restricted their eating, over 3% self harmed and over 3% considered or tried to comit suicide.

    Now, there will always be the potential to rubbish statistics, but I personally know of parents who don't give a shit about what their kids do online, I've even lived beside a family who's 15 year old boy was arrested and questioned about material he was posting online (highly offensive anddisturbingmaterial basically) so I know this crap goes on, Facebook is by far the worst culprit for offensive material, discussion, images and bullying and whilst I could not stand by and watch the internet be "policed" as such, it's obvious our countries have to start tackling the modern day issue's which the net is enabling - our generation have experienced the web and technology as a new thing, our kids are experiencing it as a way of life, will our grandkids and their kids be so tuned in to accessing bad stuff on the net it will simply become the norm and what damage is this doing to our kids?. They are spending more and more of their time in front of computers or on mobiles than interacting in the real world.

    Many parents are not interested in what their kids do online, some have never used the internet at home but have installed it for their kids, some have even removed the filters and restrictions safeguarding their kids because it's easier than having to double check a site when it flag's up asinappropriate.

    I don't have all the answers, but if you are a parent and you believe your kids haven't accessed or seen anythinginappropriateonline, then you are either totally misguided, in denial or have a fail-safe internet filter which you administer regularly. If you do, you're most likely one of the very few, and if you don't, then we will have parents like you to thank for what the next generation evolves into through their antics online.



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        Those stats are horrific ablaze, I've just been over to that site and read through the entire findings and it really does make grim reading.

        I've argued in the past too that something has to change regarding the net, I've never wanted the government to become involved or restrict or censor the net but it's clear some of our children have parents who can't look after themselves responsibly, let alone look after their kids interests, but like you, I don't necessarily have the answers ... being online is great, it's a whole new world and as long as things are kept positive, it's fabulous - unfortunately, there are those people who want to be negative or those people who want to make a fast buck and so in creeps the issue's and the problems and that's what we're faced with on the net these days.

        I don't think it's going to be long before the governments do step in to the net, trends like those stats you posted would make even the most reluctant government sit up and pay attention and we have the "idiots" to thank for it at the end of the day, those parents who don't know how to deal with their kids on the net and those sites which feed the abuse and vile material which is readily available. It's a recipe for disaster if you ask me and the likes of Facebook should be held more accountable on what they allow to remain on their pages because it "doesn't violate their terms". Sod their terms, it's meant to be about what's essentially damaging to young minds or even older ones too!.

        Here's another story about a video which was allowed to remain on Facebook showing a woman being decapitated and whilst many reported the video, Facebook apparently are allowing it to remain on their pages because people are, and I quote "sharing this video on Facebook to condemn it". Really?. You see what I mean about Facebook?. This is why I've deactivated my account now and I won't be back, they are sick minded people who are making millions of pounds from YOU and ME and are willing to show YOUR CHILDREN and MINE hideous things to continue making profits. They have even banned pictures of women breast feeding their babies in an effort to (you'll love this one) "protect the site's younger users" ... LOL !! - they allow videos and images of savage beatings,beheadings, jokes about dead babies and cancer victims, but show a woman breast feeding a child and all hell breaks loose !!.

        Take Facebook out of your life, at some point you will most likely regret not doing so.


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            I agree with you guys 100%...both of you.

            My perception is that it is only a handfull of individuals who have the rest of us held hostage. It's like they are threatening to get their way or one of them will hurt a child someplace in the Middle East or some other place or something. I can only hope something out there is in the rope selling business, selling them the rope they need to do themselves in.

            Parents out there...you have options. You can sit down with your children and explain to them what you want for them and why it's important to steer clear of disgraceful and disgusting references on the internet. Also, just yesterday I noticed Qustodio made it to the front page here. This is a content monitor for home based PCs that gives parents all kind of capabilities. This kind of thing is available. After I read you guys' posts here, I went over to see if anyone had downloaded it recently and sure enough 4 people had downloaded it to try it out. Might not seem like very many, but from this commitment marko is making to having this kind of software, 4 families got to at least see better what they are looking for for their family.

            From this little area of committed people, alot can happen, so thanks to you guys for staying with these issues and especially to marko for being so consistently on the side of reason and logic. Not kidding here, there is an ocean full of disgusting sleaze out there. Maybe the few of us and any others out there working from their little corner of the world can find a way to finish off "shock for dollars". Honestly, it's all or nothing with me...it's got to stop.

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                Hey guys, the only thing my 13yr. old son really uses anymore is his iPod Touch, and when he buys a song or an APP, it goes to my e-mail because the account is under my name and he can only use it a short time after school. It really isn't a problem for him because he likes being outside working on bicycles and cutting the grass, so he actually uses it to listen to his music right before bedtime. Anything other than that and he deals with Claw, lovingly known to him as DAD !!!!



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                    You know, the thing for me is I'm not overly worried about my kids, they're semi-sensible as far as kids go ... it's the exposure the sick people are getting now that worries me - they are now being heard when they spout their idiotic and hateful nonsense, like the fact that apparently THEY have the right to view this material "if they want", so "shut up and go away" if you don't like it.

                    So, in other words, their freedoms are widened to include the acceptance, viewing, distributing and encouragement of highly disturbing images or video's, yet my freedoms to object and have removed such material is taken away?. How does that work exactly?.

                    Anyone reading this can dress the situation up as much as they like, anyone can attempt to tell me that disturbing material online shouldn't be removed orcensored they can even tell me that it is a part of the world we live in or better still, they can try and convince me that a video showing disturbing scenes sends out a message to the world that we need to stop such atrocities happening - basically, it's all bullcrap, these video's were largely made (remember, someone took the time to record them) and distributed to shock, end of, continue to dress it up as you all will, you will not convince me that a teenager sitting at a computer will not suffer emotionally by watching this crap, if they see enough carnage anddevastation online, it will begin to change the way they think. We're not even close to realising whatpsychologicaldamage such exposure will or could have, this is the first generation growing up with this material - us, as adults, can be sensible and chose to remove ourselves from the situation, but kids growing up with mobile devices all over the place have access to this stuff 24/7 and whether they access it accidentally or on purpose, it's potentially damaging to the viewer if they see enough of it, for god sakes, there are people on the BBC website actually defending the videos!.

                    The internet is much like the world, we came, we saw and we messed up remarkably, if I could flick a switch and put the internet back 20 years or so, I would, and hopefully by some miracle we would do it better the second time round. Probably quite an expectation because human nature being what it is we'll always have idiots shouting for their rights and freedoms at the cost and to the detriment of everyone else. Here's an idea, why don't you lot live without those images and video's which turn people's stomach and show brutal deaths and accidents instead of forcing others to accept them?.

                    Incidentally, Facebook have now backtracked on their previous stance not to remove the video of a beheading and have in fact just removed and banned it. That only leaves another few million disturbing images and video's and pages to get rid of :crazy:



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                        This isn't about taking people's freedoms away or restricting or censorships, it's about living online in much the same way as we live in the real world. What is considered unacceptable in the real-world, is somehow accepted online, why, I have no idea actually but I'm sick and tired of people shouting for their freedoms when they have all the freedom they can bloody handle but then they want to shove barbaric images and video's all over the net for anyone to see and claim they have the right to view it and as you rightly say ablaze, we don't have the right to want it's removal to protect the larger audience which would include children and those of a nervous disposition!.

                        It's like discussion about sensitive issues, there are ways to discuss things sensibly and democratically, then there are those who will shout the loudest in the hope their point's stand out the most, well, they do, but for all the wrong reasons - so, sorry, if I offend anyone by saying I'd gladly remove images and video's depicting gross violence and death, there should be no reason to want to promote ordistributeimages like that, the written word can often describe an image better than a picture can but unfortunately the image or video is the illiterate persons pen .. in other words, why write about a cause or attempt to educate people about a plight, when you can simply post a disturbing image or video for shock value and profess it's a "plight" or "cause".


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                            I'm trying too hard to forget the images I have seen on the internet that got to me the most to be of much use in this conversation. At the same time, I am trying to remember them, so I can help, but I honestly can't remember them. Well, I wish I could help more, but then if I say I agree with you guys or anyone else about these issues, it's like admitting these videos and so on have brought any kind of success to anyone. It has to be talked about, but it all comes back to how are the responsible going to live with themselves when it all unravels? It's the question I can't answer.

                            Furious doesn't explain what's down in the bottom of myself about it all (I don't know what it is), but one thing is without a doubt unescapable. The policies of these internet sites that have allowed such indignity are going to bring the services down...maybe not out fully, sometimes, but down to the gutter of nothingness at least...even the giants like Facebook and YouTube. The people responsible for the policies...same thing. It's inevitable and pretty much the only thing that keeps me going, sometimes. Otherwise, I really try to stay as far as I can away from net monsters. I can't think of another way to beat them...

                            I'll probably get flagged by the FBI for these comments, but it won't be me or other people bringing these companies or decision makers down. They will just simply fall out of favor with successful people. Might seem hard to believe, but it's the way of the universe or whatever. Good karma...good life. FBI, if you're listening, it will be good things that push this filth out of the way...not bad...

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                                Personally, I believe those people who are condoning this type of material are those either from broken homes ordysfunctionalfamilies (i.e. they feel "part" of the whole dysfunctional scene and consider other like-minded mental cases people as their online family) or they are plain and simply too immature to actually realise the difference between acceptable and non-acceptable. They would consider non-acceptable as someone coming along and breaking their leg with a hammer, but would consider a video ofsomeone else being beheaded as acceptable.

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                                    You guys are right about the shock value. Here in the States, when Hurricane Katrina devastated the coast, I was a victim of it. Many families have experienced mental problems because of it. But, 7-8 years later they are still showing very disturbing footage of the destruction, and the salvaging of dead bodies out of the water on TV constantly. Stop making these people relive this over and over, they are still mentally dealing with it. It was once said that a boy viewing porn will teach him to have little respect for women, and to think that is the way all women should be treated.

                                    Marko, ablaze, FS, Google, each and everyone of you are correct in all that you have said. And remember,, deep down in the background someone is allowing this to happen because somewhere there is money to be made. My wife is a teacher, and she deals with these kids on a daily basis and she can tell you things that these kids say and do that will make you want to hide. Young people watching these types of videos are having their mind molded for the future.

                                    Google and marko, you're right, they have the freedom to start these horrific images the public, but we don't have the freedom stop them.








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